You forgot to include the American voters who voted for our Dementia-in-chief. They were too caught up in their own bubble to realize how good they had it with Trump as President. We are all suffering because of them, and now so is Ukraine.
You can't omit the fact that during last decade ukrainian government has systematically restricted everything non-ukrainian, in media and education especially. And I'm not talking pro-russia/russian only.
After 2014 annexation/insurrection ukrainian armed forces have incorporated openly nazi-ish paramilitary groups like Azov battalion (look up their insignia). Also there was an infamous Odessa fire.
That's not an apology for the war in any way, of course.
Nope, the situation in Ukraine is the West's fault. Rather than write an essay here, I'll just refer you to John Mearsheimer's prophetic 2015 lecture on the subject: https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4?t=120 I'll also refer you Oliver Stone's documentary on the Ukraine crisis, entitled "Ukraine on Fire": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHH10jIRJmQ In a nutshell, the same Deepstate goons and corruptocrats who created the Ukraine crisis are the same crew of criminals and fools who brought us Russiagate and Ukrainegate. The 2016 version of Donald Trump had the right idea about what our foreign policy stance toward Russia and NATO should have been (and should still be). We should have been looking for ways to cooperate with Russia in areas where we have common interests with an eye toward building stronger relations with them so we can enlist their help in containing China, which is our real adversary. What The Swamp has done instead is needlessly antagonize Russia to the point that we've pushed them, with all their natural resources and advanced weapons technologies, into the CCP's arms. That's an amazing feat of foreign policy strategy blundering, not least because Russia and China have long been geopolitical adversaries. China even routinely lays claim to large chunks of Russian far eastern territory.
Gee, do you think this has anything to do with Burisma and Hunter? Considering the State Department in Kiev we’re burning papers just last week in preparation for this stupid “war”. It all seems planned to me. By all sides including Ukraine and US
Blaming Trump, who they "fortified" out of office is just one more way of deflecting the blame away from themselves. Anyone who blamed Trump at this point, down to the individual voters who refuse to open their eyes to what is going on, is at fault here.
I normally agree with you Styx, but you're wrong. You forgot Obama and you are wrong to say Ukraine is not to blame. First of all, Obama staged the coup that overthrew Yanukovych because he was pro-Russian--that led to Crimea--and the subsequent string of pro-western puppets installed in Ukraine. That set the stage for what is happening today AND then you have Ukraine bombing and attacking the pro-Russian Ukrainians in LPR and DPR for over 8 years in spite of promising to STOP in the Minsk Agreement. They never stopped and the west never held them accountable for the genocide they were committing.
Nothing like a good old war to distract everyone in the US. We all know the RINO Republicans love it just as much as the NeoLib Dems. And you know what's better than a regular war, a World War.
The dumbest part about all this has to be the dictator in chief Trudipshit, making baseless platitudes about "Protecting Democracy". Says the guy that calls the Ghestappo on anyone that disagrees with him, steels their money and property, arrests them, murders their pets...and demonizes them as evil and sub-human.
Watch Kim Iversen's video on Rumble about this. I think she makes good points. It's more about the 2014 political problems and the Nordstream 2 pipeline.
But how did we get someone like Putin in the first place? As the Cold War ended and the USSR exploded into all of its constituent nations, there was no geopolitical rivalry with a Russia that had just shed its imperial republics and was now separated from the NATO nations by a double layer of states that didn't care for it. But much of that peace was founded on many different leaders telling Gorbachev and Yeltsin to their faces that the big anti-USSR nuclear military alliance would never advance east; we know this because transcripts of those meetings are available to us. The barracks occupied by the Red Army in Poland, in Hungary, in Romania, in Ukraine, in Belarus, would never host the soldiers of the military pact that had successfully contained the USSR, these leaders were told.
And then the West stabbed them in the back, certain that they couldn't do anything about it. NATO went east. Breaking one of the most important promises the West (mainly the United States) had made is why we have Putin invading Ukraine today: Russia knows the West to be liars who will say whatever it takes to talk down a nation they fear while waiting with a dagger behind their backs the moment they succeed. Trump represented an attempt to be honest and fair with Russia once again, and the Russians appreciated someone showing them a bit of respect once again.
Then the Americans replaced Trump with a puppet of Bejing who has gone back to being a Cold War democrat slapping Russia in the face with our big American dick. And in addition to all of the other things you brought up, this led to the situation as it is.
I would Give The Ukrainians some Blame Here also they Covered up the Fact many Ethnic Russians where being treated badly and wouldn't open a Dialogue over their issues (for good or bad) and don't forget their Corruption dealings with people Like Hunter Biden and willing to do the bidding of a corrupt US Government ,Throwing people they don't like in jail and then there is Trudeau following Biden's urging to crackdown on his own people: his actions where seen by the entire world let alone Russian peoples, who can only conclude "the West is worse than Putin" and then there is the Legacy Media who should get as much blame as even Putin , if they would Report Truth, and have even a Tiny bit of Credibility, Issues and Real Diplomacy would be possible , but they think they can just make up a fantasy and everyone (Putin) will just fall in line , if what they say and think was true our big mistake was not sending Ukraine the things they really needed to fight back "Pink and blue hair die ,and Puberty Blockers"
You forgot to include the American voters who voted for our Dementia-in-chief. They were too caught up in their own bubble to realize how good they had it with Trump as President. We are all suffering because of them, and now so is Ukraine.
You can't omit the fact that during last decade ukrainian government has systematically restricted everything non-ukrainian, in media and education especially. And I'm not talking pro-russia/russian only.
After 2014 annexation/insurrection ukrainian armed forces have incorporated openly nazi-ish paramilitary groups like Azov battalion (look up their insignia). Also there was an infamous Odessa fire.
That's not an apology for the war in any way, of course.
Nope, the situation in Ukraine is the West's fault. Rather than write an essay here, I'll just refer you to John Mearsheimer's prophetic 2015 lecture on the subject: https://youtu.be/JrMiSQAGOS4?t=120 I'll also refer you Oliver Stone's documentary on the Ukraine crisis, entitled "Ukraine on Fire": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHH10jIRJmQ In a nutshell, the same Deepstate goons and corruptocrats who created the Ukraine crisis are the same crew of criminals and fools who brought us Russiagate and Ukrainegate. The 2016 version of Donald Trump had the right idea about what our foreign policy stance toward Russia and NATO should have been (and should still be). We should have been looking for ways to cooperate with Russia in areas where we have common interests with an eye toward building stronger relations with them so we can enlist their help in containing China, which is our real adversary. What The Swamp has done instead is needlessly antagonize Russia to the point that we've pushed them, with all their natural resources and advanced weapons technologies, into the CCP's arms. That's an amazing feat of foreign policy strategy blundering, not least because Russia and China have long been geopolitical adversaries. China even routinely lays claim to large chunks of Russian far eastern territory.
Gee, do you think this has anything to do with Burisma and Hunter? Considering the State Department in Kiev we’re burning papers just last week in preparation for this stupid “war”. It all seems planned to me. By all sides including Ukraine and US
Blaming Trump, who they "fortified" out of office is just one more way of deflecting the blame away from themselves. Anyone who blamed Trump at this point, down to the individual voters who refuse to open their eyes to what is going on, is at fault here.
I normally agree with you Styx, but you're wrong. You forgot Obama and you are wrong to say Ukraine is not to blame. First of all, Obama staged the coup that overthrew Yanukovych because he was pro-Russian--that led to Crimea--and the subsequent string of pro-western puppets installed in Ukraine. That set the stage for what is happening today AND then you have Ukraine bombing and attacking the pro-Russian Ukrainians in LPR and DPR for over 8 years in spite of promising to STOP in the Minsk Agreement. They never stopped and the west never held them accountable for the genocide they were committing.
Nothing like a good old war to distract everyone in the US. We all know the RINO Republicans love it just as much as the NeoLib Dems. And you know what's better than a regular war, a World War.
The dumbest part about all this has to be the dictator in chief Trudipshit, making baseless platitudes about "Protecting Democracy". Says the guy that calls the Ghestappo on anyone that disagrees with him, steels their money and property, arrests them, murders their pets...and demonizes them as evil and sub-human.
Ukraine is a large source of revenue for the DNC. They act on our orders.
Biden has vilified 45 per cent of American public. Constantly. Piss on Biden.
Ukraine should not have pushed national membership. I don't like Putin, but he's not my threat.
Biden and his Kill Shot is my enemy. Piss on Biden, pfizer
Watch Kim Iversen's video on Rumble about this. I think she makes good points. It's more about the 2014 political problems and the Nordstream 2 pipeline.
But how did we get someone like Putin in the first place? As the Cold War ended and the USSR exploded into all of its constituent nations, there was no geopolitical rivalry with a Russia that had just shed its imperial republics and was now separated from the NATO nations by a double layer of states that didn't care for it. But much of that peace was founded on many different leaders telling Gorbachev and Yeltsin to their faces that the big anti-USSR nuclear military alliance would never advance east; we know this because transcripts of those meetings are available to us. The barracks occupied by the Red Army in Poland, in Hungary, in Romania, in Ukraine, in Belarus, would never host the soldiers of the military pact that had successfully contained the USSR, these leaders were told.
And then the West stabbed them in the back, certain that they couldn't do anything about it. NATO went east. Breaking one of the most important promises the West (mainly the United States) had made is why we have Putin invading Ukraine today: Russia knows the West to be liars who will say whatever it takes to talk down a nation they fear while waiting with a dagger behind their backs the moment they succeed. Trump represented an attempt to be honest and fair with Russia once again, and the Russians appreciated someone showing them a bit of respect once again.
Then the Americans replaced Trump with a puppet of Bejing who has gone back to being a Cold War democrat slapping Russia in the face with our big American dick. And in addition to all of the other things you brought up, this led to the situation as it is.
i don't give a fuck anymore.
I would Give The Ukrainians some Blame Here also they Covered up the Fact many Ethnic Russians where being treated badly and wouldn't open a Dialogue over their issues (for good or bad) and don't forget their Corruption dealings with people Like Hunter Biden and willing to do the bidding of a corrupt US Government ,Throwing people they don't like in jail and then there is Trudeau following Biden's urging to crackdown on his own people: his actions where seen by the entire world let alone Russian peoples, who can only conclude "the West is worse than Putin" and then there is the Legacy Media who should get as much blame as even Putin , if they would Report Truth, and have even a Tiny bit of Credibility, Issues and Real Diplomacy would be possible , but they think they can just make up a fantasy and everyone (Putin) will just fall in line , if what they say and think was true our big mistake was not sending Ukraine the things they really needed to fight back "Pink and blue hair die ,and Puberty Blockers"
It all could have been avoided if the Budapest Agreement and the Minsk Accords were honored.
Look this way... not that way.
Hmmm.